if i had a collection on mtgo rather than in paper i'd probably take a swing at going back and looking at what calebd did with his article a few years back, playtest things like mind twist and survival and see if they are broken and would ruin the format or if they would be fine. Rendered by PID 4561 on r2-app-0fc46510eacc98c75 at 2020-11-30 21:30:44.531062+00:00 running 81d7aef country code: NL. we come to play busted cards and do stupid shit with them. Your Flair is Your Own - We suggest the flair be your primary deck, but you can change it to whatever you like. (Audio Quality improves after the first matches. Just For Fun [VOD] RG Stax- Patiently Murdering People with Smokestack, [PVDH] My first Recorded League is on Youtube, with UR 'Krark' Delver! last edited by . Once resolved they will likely not be able to remove it, or if they even try you can just replace it, and all the cards you used to cast it, and get another one. To activate an ability is to put it onto the stack and pay its costs, so that it will eventually resolve and have its effect. Legacy Articles - Magic Theory, Legacy Info, Card Theory, event advertisements for local-level events, link posts to photos or screenshots of cards. Gatherer is the Magic Card Database. Hapatra and Yawgmoth combo nicely together as well. While you might think that Griselbrand would be just as bad if not worse than Yawgmoth's Bargain, the restriction on drawing 7 cards for 7 life versus 1 card for 1 life is hugely important. [–]ThreeSpaceMonkeyThat Thalia Girl 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (14 children). Karakas and STP usually mean you commit harder. This annoying message will go away once you do! i'd still like to play with the card again though. imho the cards that i feel that could be unrestricted are flash, yawgmoths bargain, and memory jar, flash would open up a whole new deck, bargain isnt good in multiples so all that happens is you get it more often, and memory jar isnt played as much as it once was as far as i can tell and at worst you get to have a 4 of 5 mana draw seven, only thing that would worry me about jar is welder. Griselbrand is definitely more forgiving. The best way to win quickly is to have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and another creature in play. Ritual into Necro getting Decayed also isn’t “losing hard,” because you’ve already filled and sculpted your hand. There's a reason that Yawgmoth's Bargain is banned/restricted in all formats, and Yawgmoth as a card does an incredible job of replicating that banned enchantment in a game of Commander. Those methods have inherent downsides that are not present when casting him (graveyard hate, containment priest type effects, allowing your opponent to put something into play like needle or revoker, etc), and those downsides would be eliminated if his mana cost were low enough that a combo deck could be built to reliably cast him. Have you ever played Bargain in constructed? It did use discarding cards to a … Articles and comments are user-submitted and do not represent official endorsements of this site. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. However, you can do: … If this doesn't kill everyone, all I need to do is to play Dark Ritual (play any 0 cmc mana rocks first to pay for ritual) and activate Yawgmoth to discard Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre when I have my entire library in hand which will shuffle only Dark Ritual back in my library and allow me to repeat the ritual-ulamog loop infinite times to finish off the table. Variants (1) Comments; Name Type Subtype Color Cost Rarity Set Price; Yawgmoth's Bargain: Enchantment-Black: 4 B B: Rare: Urza's Destiny: … Ok so you are just going to ignore all his other points telling you why it’s so ridiculously broken. Like I said, you’re the experienced storm player, you can argue that expensive cards are good in storm decks. And being that players already run Flusterstorms in ANT I don't really see what's the huge advantage of running Force instead of Discard + Flusters--but that's a different discussion that is much more interesting. Can we play Anger or something? r o c k l e e m y h e r o: Good effort, but Sudden Spoiling targets, which Orbs of Warding prevents.. aholder7: Well, Colfenor's Plans and Yawgmoth's Agenda get around Knowledge Pool.Time to put Erayo's Essence back in. See cards from the most recent sets and discover what players just like you are saying about them. What is the ultimate goal of unbanning mind twist? No one said anything about Dark Ritual Necro on turn 1. As for Bargain Vs Griselbrand, yes, Bargain is better, but not 'strictly better'.Griselbrand is a creature, a rather meaty creature that is useful whenever … This card depicts a heart-breaking moment from the tie-in novel for the Apocalypse expansion. [–]realmslayerCephalid Breakfast/monoblue painter 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child). Even if it only reaffirmed his positions that's still a useful data point. The destination is different but the road is the same. Reviews Below: David Fanany Player since 1995. Browse through cards from Magic's entire history. Once cast you are committed to draw as much as you can gamble on. Yawgmoths Vile Offering Yawgmoth’s Vile Offering – Dominaria. So now you’re running multiple tendrils just to allow your more expensive card to... What would your list look like for legacy, exactly? 1. and if rector ins't in play diabolic intent is very good for hold the table still!! Search for the perfect addition to your deck. Browse through cards from Magic's entire history. Browse through cards from Magic's entire history. © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. The fact that it requires so few resources to deploy is its most relevant aspect over Bargain with a trade-off of not giving you cards immediately. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: A subreddit dedicated to the greatest Magic: the Gathering format: Legacy (Type 1.5). [–]MTGCardFetcher 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children), Reanimate - (G) (SF) (MC) MagnusMagicus. Thinking 1-2 discard spells could stop that is really inexperience IMO. One game he can win with Rituals into Yawgmoths Bargain, Illusions of Grandeur for twenty extra lives – drawin cards and going to one life, then plays second Illusions plus Donate and a Disenchant for the win. 5 years ago. In my own limited, anecdotal experience of course. This is an aristocrat/tokens Yawgmoth, Thran Physician build that aims to abuse undying creatures to gain an insurmountable advantage over the course of the game by recreating a Yawgmoth's Bargain effect. I have never, ever lost a game in Vintage when I have resolved a Bargain. Blood Artist effects are what sustain the card advantage engine and prevent me from killing myself. Especially since we have a 1 mana planeswalker dominating the format, and toooons of new graveyard hate has been printed since survival was a thing. Yea man, glad to have some civil discourse. I asked how the deck I'm playing is not a "storm deck" when it fits the definition. Think of it like Dredge or Affinity. Ad Nauseum. 0; B. babau Reply Quote. [–]ThreeSpaceMonkeyThat Thalia Girl 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (5 children), [–]lorkacMaverick -2 points-1 points0 points 2 years ago (4 children), Turn 1 griselbrand already draws 14 cards + FoW on turns 1-3, Ad Naus draws 10-15 cards turns 1-3 for 5 mana instead of 6. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. So it is a oo, 5, 8,3: Date Posted: Wed Jun/01/16 at 7:05pm: gericault5: Posts: 2788 Joined: 13-Oct-09: Repercussion, natural affinty, blasphamas act, alter of dementia Any number of oppenents, 9 mana, 4 cards, 1 phase : Date Posted: Thu Jun/02/16 at 2:21am: knarf_the_dwarf: … Most times 14 is the max draw. Privacy statement | but i appreciate your response. it would be cool if someone took another shot at doing something similar to this as that article is kinda dated. But a more appropriate card from that same time period was Necropotence. Especially when it wasn't restricted and had access to both Force of Will and Tendrils of Agony? And it lets you draw a card every turn. Number of cards drawn usually goes deep, but is not as easily controlled. [–]jeffderekANT|TeamAmerica|Grixis|Other UB Decks 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child). Imho anyway. Het zou wel een erg populaire kaart worden. No one. In The Thran, he is described as being a tall, muscular (due to past rigorous work) human with thick dark blac… Oracle Text. we disagree about it, and that's fine. See rule 704. Pay 1 life: Draw a card. There is also a planeswalkers subtheme as they synergizes so well with the direction of the deck and Yawgmoth's proliferate ability. Like the other commenter said, Bargain is much stronger than Necro once it's on play. Planeswalkers are at the core of the midrange ethos; these cards come with multiple uses and thus versatility by being excellent in various tactical and strategic situations; their repeatable effects … You still probably win. This is probably the hardest of the list to use and can't slot into other decks easily at all. Working backward this time. [–]108Echoes 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). i've said previously i'm a degenerate for wanting to play that card again, and that's fine if people think i am. This creates a 1/1 deathtouch snake token and brings an undead Wolf back. this is legacy, the best format in magic IMHO. It is my opinion that the format should not simply be about balance. [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points 2 years ago (10 children). Determine how each target will be affected, for spells with multiple targets. Report You can also go deep to ensure they cannot get all your business spells. Gatherer is the Magic Card Database. B. If they don’t have Force, you win. 5 jaren geleden. I don't care whether sometimes you can cast Griselbrand with Dark Ritual. Because it would be too good in storm. Obviously, you need a third component to win off the infinite mana, but the cheapness of the pieces more than makes up for that tidbit. Trivia . Discussion Also Bargain is orders of magnitude stronger than Griselbrand, though Gris is a stupid card too. I've gotta say though, I find the idea that WotC could unban Bargain and people would keep playing Ad Nauseam instead almost laughable. Dare you scroll down, you can see people arguing that Necro isn't that good. ), so this is how Trix … Best zoo version i have played. Mod Posts Theres people replying to you who actually think Necro could warrant an unban. Drawing 6 cards can win you a lot of games. Search for the perfect addition to your deck. Bargain places less requirements on the rest of your deck since it can be Ritualed out relatively easily and you'd play Rituals in a Storm deck anyway. If you want to see what can be done with Necro, look not at ANT but at TES. The alternative win condition is infect kill with Ichor Rats and Yawgmoth, Thran Physician's proliferate ability. In the other two games my combo is faster though: The third game I manage to win on turn two: T1 Ancient Tomb , Mox Diamond (discarding a land), Altar of Dementia, Cabal … All that said, we'll never know, because they're not unbanning it. The auto-includes: 4 Ajani Vengeant 4 Goblin Ruinblaster 4 Acidic Slime 4 Knight of the Reliquary 4 Trace of Abundance. MTGO Event Bargain is a one card combo. Help | Against non-control decks, that particular combo is still nice and will often prevent a Tectonic Edge or Goblin Ruinblaster from taking out your new found win condition. Magic Combos Awesome, or infinite Magic the Gathering combos. But Griselbrand is able to gain life and draw a ton of cards, where Bargain just draws cards. Reanimator, Storm, and Tin Fins are all kinda similar at that point. Frantic Search Urza's Legacy (C) Instant $0.99 . i played nightmare survival when it was type 2 legal, and it was possibly my favorite deck next to ice age necro. Hij pakte zijn halve library en maakte heel veel mana met zijn rituals en gebruikte de lifesteal storm kaart, weet niet meer hoe hij heet.. Hoppa, T3 kill! She gives the deck card selection (the discard synergizes very slightly with Mistveil Plains ), is built in removal for Artifacts, Enchantments and Creatures, and her ultimate WILL end the game very soon. Think of the LED interactions in one turn (assuming NOT the cards you draw count): edit conclusion- Yawg has the enchantment resilience of Necro, the immediate draw of grisel, and the quantity of ad nauseum, without the commitment that any of the other cards require (other than getting it in play of course). I could see Griselbrand getting axed and Bargain becoming legal, but there's no way you could have both of those running around. The combo feels very reminiscent to the Saheeli Rai and Felidar Guardian infinite combination from Standard, and that ended in an emergency ban! 3 is average. Yawgmoth's Bargain. This site is unaffiliated. [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-18 points-17 points-16 points 2 years ago (4 children). Dark Ritual en Lotus Petal. Repeat ad infinitum. I think it needs a boost. 602.2. Feeds | One undying creature + one token producer like. I went back and watched a few of the vids caleb did for that series, and it looks like a lot of work. Can you beat a Thoughtseize with your 7 passing back? I mainly put it higher because on average you're going to get more cards in legacy storm or modern ad naus than you do versus the other options EXCEPT----. SCD I'm not necessarily saying that it is overpowered (but maybe tomb -> monolith into T2 twist for 5 is?, but I digress), its about what the card offers the format. The combo was Trix back then, if you were curious. I agree Leyline isn't as common as surgical, but some decks like Eldrazi still play Leyline / Faerie. Are you ready for storm decks that can play Force of Will? Seeing each card 1 at a time is more information on your deck than any of the other options. Deck Help My final answer to your original question ("Why is Yawgmoth's Bargain banned?") I'll take the ability to cast mini tendrils and refill, the ability to stop and cantrip or cast discard spells inbetween drawing, and the ability to play Force of Will if I need to over the one mana discount any day. [–]lorkacMaverick -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (6 children). Contact | Tin Fins/Sneak attack will likely draw more. When you get to exactly 6 mana, if you don't think you can combo off and you'd rather untap and have your lands available, you can just pass the turn. [–]compacta_dHigh Tide/Slivers 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children), burn players are hte ones usually "stopping life gain". Customers who purchased Urza's Destiny: Yawgmoth's Bargain also bought... Necropotence Ice Age (R) Enchant $34.99 . [–]eviscerationsInfect / Tin Fins / Pox 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (11 children). i hate deathrite shaman, it's miserable to play against, but i've maintained the stance that i don't want it to be banned because it will hit so many other decks besides grixis delver that the feelbads would be very real for the maverick, jund and deathblade guys. My combo above kills any number of opps with 5 cards using brrrr3 (total 8 mana) in 3 phases (untap, upkeep, first main phase). Places to Play 0; … Keep in mind that you can dump all of your permanent-based fast mana ahead of Necro and untap with 7 cards in hand + a ton of mana in play. The topic of the thread is not Necropotence. ANT already has a mini-Tendrils play against grindy decks, and Bargain would make that plan about a billion times stronger, while staying just as if not more explosive and resilient. Counterspell is more likely, but discard spells etc. From, in my opinion, worst-best. You can just jam your threats down their throat willy-nilly until they run out of answers, and they are going to run out of answers long before you run out of threats when you can draw back up to 7 every turn. He then goes on a pedantic rant calling me pedantic to prove a point that's not even in the discussion of the thread. Yawgmoth was born during the last century of the Thran Empire, in a time of conflict between the elite imperialists and republican rabble. I've had the same arguments people have made against me when I started running Dark Depths in Maverick where they keep asking if the combo is worth it. Also, Bargain dodges more countermagic, removal, and more permanent based hate. drawing 1 at a time is better than 7 at a time. WotC didn’t ban Necropotence because they kept wanting players to run it in midrange decks that ran countermagic, discard, and creatures, thinking it was more fun. It's pay 1 life to draw 1 card (no mana required), and you can do that as many times in a turn … Likewise, so is Griselbrand. The ‘combo finish’ doesn’t synergize with any other part of the deck, other than the planeswalker is R W which works with Martyr. But you know what I meant, and you're just being pedantic. Finance When Bargain was banned, players substituted Necropotence for Yawgmoth's Bargain and spread the combo out over a few turns. Maar zie de combo in de post onder je bijvoorbeeld. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. I actually started the process of doing it a while back. Griselbrand. Griselbrand is not a better Bargain. Yawgmoth's Bargain: Manacost: Converted mana cost: 6: Type: Enchantment: Set: Urza's Destiny : Rarity: Rare: Oracle tekst: Skip your draw step. Mono-Black [[cardname]] or [[cardname|SET]] to call, [–]compacta_dHigh Tide/Slivers 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child). [+]lorkacMaverick comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points 2 years ago (15 children). [–]Sliphorn77 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children), If you could necro turn one you almost certainly win that game with storm. You're misreading Bargain. ), draw 21 cards, and kill the opponent with Tendrils. [–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (0 children). In the past 6 months or so I've picked up Vintage and lately I've been playing a decent amount of storm with Bargain. How many people are still playing from then though? Ad Nauseam draws fewer cards, and you can't play Ad Nauseam and Force of Will in the same deck. counters on it. No, it's not. [–]ThreeSpaceMonkeyThat Thalia Girl 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (7 children). Pay a mana and a life, trigger the demon, draw a card, get a black mana. So your first turn is land-ritual-necro and it resolves. Speaking as a player who plays Thalia, people eot Ad Nauseum against me all the time in order to be able to untap and use their lands to cast their LED's and Rituals. Yes your opponent will make you discard something, but you get to choose. I don't care whether you think Tin Fins is a storm deck or not. I might add mana additions in the next patch. If your board is big enough you can punch through. i get real salty when i see all the 'ban probe' and 'ban brainstorm' nonsense. It's purely subjective, of course. With Ad Nauseam, if you get to exactly 5, you've gotta pay a lot of life and pray you hit a lotus petal (or LEDs + PiF + Rituals). Griselbrand is unplayable in a traditional storm deck that intends to use rituals to cast it's spells. [–]eviscerationsInfect / Tin Fins / Pox 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children). [–]iklalzBlack Red Jank 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child). Is a completely different ballpark. If you resolve a Necro, discard doesn't really do much against you. [–]iklalzBlack Red Jank 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (3 children), Bargain lets you draw 15, Tendrils for 10, draw another 10 and Tendrils for lethal. Can I ask you a question that has already been declared condescending elsewhere in this thread, but is not intended to be in this instance? Yawgmoths Bargain: 2: $0.24: DarkConfidant: 3: $0.24: R U Game: 7: $0.24: White Lion Games: 4: $0.25: onemillioncardman: 5: $0.25: actionmtg: 7: $0.25: Magic Megastore: 1: $0.25: Snapcasters Gaming: 3: $0.26: Hawaii Singles: 1: $0.29: The Matchup Analysis, Caw-Blade Perspective What are my three most important cards against RUG Twin? Then you win the turn you play it; whereas, you normally have to wait a turn after Necro to win. Enchantments are harder to remove as well. You can recoup the Lifeloss with a Mini tendrils. Do note that placing the -1/-1 counter is a MAY ability. The point is more that Necro simultaneously plays the role of explosive bomb and slow grind engine. [–]Icapica 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (9 children). Ad Nauseum is a better Bargain. Copied to clipboard. Tin Fins Reanimator (Dave Kapłan) vs Infect (Gothmog) on 90sMTG. Opinions? b) It is good, and forces people to play blue to either counter or misdirect it, because nonblue will just get shit on. Like Brainstorm has a good case that it might need to get banned in Legacy. Because it would be too good in ritual based combo. You can now import it in the MTG Arena client. Unfortunately for him, the republicans lost the power struggle, and all their followers, including the eugenicists, were exiled. Necro isn't a business spell so much as it is a one card engine. You could draw a big pile of cards, but you can't use them that turn yet, you won't know what you're getting (so you can't stop drawing the moment when you got what you needed), then you'll discard down to 7 and the next turn your opponent has the opportunity to try to shred your hand. Hmm, perhaps I didn't make my point well enough. In a funky way this is like the old Bargain deck. [–]VivarusTES 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). griselbrand is more easily removed as well. Necro would definitely be interesting. If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters Love the deck concept. Mid. As long as there are two undying creatures or one undying creature and a token producer in play, I can draw as many cards as I want with Yawgmoth that's only limited by my life total. [+][deleted] comment score below threshold-16 points-15 points-14 points 2 years ago (15 children). BBB is cheap, but it required commitment similar to griselbrand because you don't get to see the cards you draw. The Banned Series - Yawgmoth's Bargain and Mana Drain - ChannelFireball - Magic: The Gathering Strategy, Singles, Cards, Decks The Banned Series – Yawgmoth’s Bargain and Mana Drain By Caleb Durward / May 5, 2014 [–]compacta_dHigh Tide/Slivers 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child), [–]Washableaxe 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). Yeah but the point is that Griselbrand does that all by itself. Yawgmoth's Bargain is banned, for self evident reasons. You can also add Altar of the Brood to mill your opponent's libraries. I'm watching the videos right now, and I should have considered that you would play more than 1 copy of Tendrils. The following are synergies that works really well in the deck and can put me ahead if undisrupted: The main win condition is to create an infinite sacrifice loop with a drain effect like Blood Artist to win with Yawgmoth, Thran Physician's sacrifice/draw ability with either of the following combination: How this works is essentially putting the -1/-1 counters on the creature that has a +1/+1 counter on it while sacrificing the other alternatively. Your first point is needlessly condescending. Holy shit man, there's just no comparison. … Gatherer is the Magic Card Database. Due to his fascination with the human body and his view that it was a marvelous machine, Yawgmoth became a eugenicist on the republican side. yes i know it's good, but show and tell is on par with it and we're cool with that. bargain is better than necro arguably if both are on the table. Corpse Dance Tempest (R) Instant $19.99 (Out of stock) Lotus Petal Tempest (C) Art $12.99 . Naya Zoo mtg Legacy. Memory Jar Urza's Legacy (R) Art $34.99 . [–]jeffderekANT|TeamAmerica|Grixis|Other UB Decks 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago* (2 children). Yawgmoths Bargain: 1: $4.44: Anafenza: 1: $4.65: Juggler Home: 1: $4.72: Gama Pro Demo: 4: $4.85: PlusOneMetairie: 3: $4.87: Iron Buffalo: 1: $4.92: Iron Buffalo: 1: $4.92: Delver Flip Game: 3: $4.93: Bear Force One: 1: $4.95: Thalia, Guardian of Thraben: Lingering Souls aside, this was the other breakout card of the Grand Prix.

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